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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
		<link>http://fatoneinthemiddle.com/2009/04/28/when-abortion-goes-very-very-right/comment-page-1/#comment-1399</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 20:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clairepie - thanks for making me smile</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clairepie &#8211; thanks for making me smile</p>
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		<title>By: Joreth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joreth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim:

Fuck you and your fucking snobbery with your nose in the air about &quot;disgusting moral choices&quot;.  You have no goddamn idea what these women have gone through to end up where they did, or what made them decide the way they did and you have no way of ever knowing since you will never find yourself in any of their positions.

How dare you come in here with your holier-than-thou attitude presuming to know what women go through?  I find your presumption that you have any fucking clue or right to pass judgement on people whose circumstances you don&#039;t even know disgusting and I am supremely sorry for any female partner you ever have who faces such disdain and condemnation from someone as unworthy as you.  You think you have the moral superiority to pass judgement on those women when you aren&#039;t even high enough to lick the bottom of their boots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim:</p>
<p>Fuck you and your fucking snobbery with your nose in the air about &#8220;disgusting moral choices&#8221;.  You have no goddamn idea what these women have gone through to end up where they did, or what made them decide the way they did and you have no way of ever knowing since you will never find yourself in any of their positions.</p>
<p>How dare you come in here with your holier-than-thou attitude presuming to know what women go through?  I find your presumption that you have any fucking clue or right to pass judgement on people whose circumstances you don&#8217;t even know disgusting and I am supremely sorry for any female partner you ever have who faces such disdain and condemnation from someone as unworthy as you.  You think you have the moral superiority to pass judgement on those women when you aren&#8217;t even high enough to lick the bottom of their boots.</p>
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		<title>By: Clairepie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clairepie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rach I think everyone who is affected by this should be allowed a voice. (mostly partners &amp; close family) People who want to take rights away from women, also should voice this opinion, so we can bring them down a peg or two, lets just do it calmly &amp; rationally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rach I think everyone who is affected by this should be allowed a voice. (mostly partners &amp; close family) People who want to take rights away from women, also should voice this opinion, so we can bring them down a peg or two, lets just do it calmly &amp; rationally.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A woman&#039;s destiny is tied to her reproduction.  It&#039;s all good to say that a teenage mother, if she works REALLY hard, can support a baby and still graduate with honors from law school.  Yes, it&#039;s possible, but it&#039;s highly unlikely. Anti-abortion laws are a penalty on being poor.  If I had a teenage daughter who became pregnant, I could afford to put our asses on a plane and fly anywhere in the world to get an abortion. Some women can&#039;t afford a bus ride to the next state. 

I had an abortion when I was in my late 30s. I wasn&#039;t in desperate circumstances, I was married with two children, and well-paid.  But I was almost 40, and when I told my husband, the look in his eyes was not good. He went with me to my GYN, who said that while he had no personal problems with doing abortions, he was tired of his home being picketed and his children harassed, and referred me to another doctor, who I saw a few days later.  There&#039;s your 24 hour waiting period.  I don&#039;t regret it at all.  My husband left a couple years later for his secretary. I don&#039;t have any sort of PTSD, I barely think of it, even when abortion topics come up.  

MAK, that&#039;s a good comment about men&#039;s ownership of women&#039;s sexuality. I have a personal acquaintance that I personally know is screwing around on his wife, with more than one woman, but refers to a mutual acquaintance as a &#039;slut&#039; because she is unmarried and doesn&#039;t hide the fact that she has a couple of boyfriends (that know about each other), and is sexually active.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A woman&#8217;s destiny is tied to her reproduction.  It&#8217;s all good to say that a teenage mother, if she works REALLY hard, can support a baby and still graduate with honors from law school.  Yes, it&#8217;s possible, but it&#8217;s highly unlikely. Anti-abortion laws are a penalty on being poor.  If I had a teenage daughter who became pregnant, I could afford to put our asses on a plane and fly anywhere in the world to get an abortion. Some women can&#8217;t afford a bus ride to the next state. </p>
<p>I had an abortion when I was in my late 30s. I wasn&#8217;t in desperate circumstances, I was married with two children, and well-paid.  But I was almost 40, and when I told my husband, the look in his eyes was not good. He went with me to my GYN, who said that while he had no personal problems with doing abortions, he was tired of his home being picketed and his children harassed, and referred me to another doctor, who I saw a few days later.  There&#8217;s your 24 hour waiting period.  I don&#8217;t regret it at all.  My husband left a couple years later for his secretary. I don&#8217;t have any sort of PTSD, I barely think of it, even when abortion topics come up.  </p>
<p>MAK, that&#8217;s a good comment about men&#8217;s ownership of women&#8217;s sexuality. I have a personal acquaintance that I personally know is screwing around on his wife, with more than one woman, but refers to a mutual acquaintance as a &#8216;slut&#8217; because she is unmarried and doesn&#8217;t hide the fact that she has a couple of boyfriends (that know about each other), and is sexually active.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 22:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the &quot;What would Jesus Do&quot; approach to this kind of discussion. First, I think he would start out as the Son of God, and be born in a manger, spend a lot of time ministering to the poor, healing and forgiving, then he would sacrifice himself for the wellbeing of other people.  Only THEN, would appoint right-wing judges to the Supreme Court so that he could get Roe V. Wade overturned.  See how easy it is to resolve these complicated issues with just a little faith and good, old-fashioned reasoning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the &#8220;What would Jesus Do&#8221; approach to this kind of discussion. First, I think he would start out as the Son of God, and be born in a manger, spend a lot of time ministering to the poor, healing and forgiving, then he would sacrifice himself for the wellbeing of other people.  Only THEN, would appoint right-wing judges to the Supreme Court so that he could get Roe V. Wade overturned.  See how easy it is to resolve these complicated issues with just a little faith and good, old-fashioned reasoning.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Colanduno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Colanduno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 15:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe they all should be forced to listen to the Doug Stanhope comedy routine about being PRO Abortion... &quot;Suck all of them out before they corrupt the world and ruin my nights out at nice, quiet restaurants!&quot;. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe they all should be forced to listen to the Doug Stanhope comedy routine about being PRO Abortion&#8230; &#8220;Suck all of them out before they corrupt the world and ruin my nights out at nice, quiet restaurants!&#8221;. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Rach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 15:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally - I think anyone who is NOT capable of ever becoming pregnant should even be allowed to voice an opinion on this topic as they will never find them self faced with such a situation or understand the depth of the decision.
But why even argue this topic? Each and every person has strong feelings on it they have to come of their own accord. And arguing it out never changes anything - just gets people worked up. Heck - even Roe of Roe vs. Wade tried to get the decision reversed many years later and SHE couldn&#039;t change it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally &#8211; I think anyone who is NOT capable of ever becoming pregnant should even be allowed to voice an opinion on this topic as they will never find them self faced with such a situation or understand the depth of the decision.<br />
But why even argue this topic? Each and every person has strong feelings on it they have to come of their own accord. And arguing it out never changes anything &#8211; just gets people worked up. Heck &#8211; even Roe of Roe vs. Wade tried to get the decision reversed many years later and SHE couldn&#8217;t change it.</p>
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		<title>By: MAK</title>
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		<dc:creator>MAK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 14:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I really loved about this piece was the part where you wrote that your sexual choices were not an expression of your parents&#039; parenting but an expression of your own desires/whatever.  I love that: we so often criticize the horrors of such things as honor killings in many parts of the world without looking at how much we treat girls&#039; and women&#039;s sexuality as still the possession of the family.   I&#039;ve actually heard people say things like &quot;that father should lock up his daughter&quot; because she was perceived as promiscuous,  whether she really was or not, and whether or not she was having sex safely and with consent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I really loved about this piece was the part where you wrote that your sexual choices were not an expression of your parents&#8217; parenting but an expression of your own desires/whatever.  I love that: we so often criticize the horrors of such things as honor killings in many parts of the world without looking at how much we treat girls&#8217; and women&#8217;s sexuality as still the possession of the family.   I&#8217;ve actually heard people say things like &#8220;that father should lock up his daughter&#8221; because she was perceived as promiscuous,  whether she really was or not, and whether or not she was having sex safely and with consent.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen M-W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen M-W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Contrary to some of the discussion, birth control is not always readily available to individuals or it is priced out of their reach.  I know from speaking with friends raised in Eastern Europe that they did not always have access to even condoms and even they did, they were poorly manufactured and had an extremly high failure rate.  Abortions were often one of their only options to deal with a pregnancy. As far as finances being a reason, recent stats show that abortion numbers are up due to the poor economy.  Even married couples who planned their pregnancys are finding that they had to opt for abortions due to losing their jobs/foreclosures and so forth.  If you think it is an easy decision to carry a baby that you wanted and can&#039;t afford and then have to give it up for adoption...well I can&#039;t think of anything more difficult.  Maybe I am being overly sensitive, since I am pregnant myself with a child that we have tried for 4+ years to concieve.  But that has not changed my view of being pro-choice and respecting that it is the individual&#039;s right to make their own reproductive decisions.  At the end of the day, it is not our job to impose our moral belief system on anyone else.  They need to make the decision about what is best for them and their situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Contrary to some of the discussion, birth control is not always readily available to individuals or it is priced out of their reach.  I know from speaking with friends raised in Eastern Europe that they did not always have access to even condoms and even they did, they were poorly manufactured and had an extremly high failure rate.  Abortions were often one of their only options to deal with a pregnancy. As far as finances being a reason, recent stats show that abortion numbers are up due to the poor economy.  Even married couples who planned their pregnancys are finding that they had to opt for abortions due to losing their jobs/foreclosures and so forth.  If you think it is an easy decision to carry a baby that you wanted and can&#8217;t afford and then have to give it up for adoption&#8230;well I can&#8217;t think of anything more difficult.  Maybe I am being overly sensitive, since I am pregnant myself with a child that we have tried for 4+ years to concieve.  But that has not changed my view of being pro-choice and respecting that it is the individual&#8217;s right to make their own reproductive decisions.  At the end of the day, it is not our job to impose our moral belief system on anyone else.  They need to make the decision about what is best for them and their situation.</p>
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		<title>By: GeekGirlsRule</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeekGirlsRule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and my one pregnancy scare occurred while on the pill AND using condoms.  I was on antibiotics, using the pill as a back up, and the condom ripped.
So my irresponsible ass who was having sex with my husband, but who neither wanted nor intended to have kids and took every precaution should have been forced to bear a child that in all likelihood would end up bearing the burden of my fucked up genetics?
Yes, I can see how that would have been a very moral and ethical decision on my part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and my one pregnancy scare occurred while on the pill AND using condoms.  I was on antibiotics, using the pill as a back up, and the condom ripped.<br />
So my irresponsible ass who was having sex with my husband, but who neither wanted nor intended to have kids and took every precaution should have been forced to bear a child that in all likelihood would end up bearing the burden of my fucked up genetics?<br />
Yes, I can see how that would have been a very moral and ethical decision on my part.</p>
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